Graham Barnett Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 So I read this article: Online store removes 'racist' t-shirt from site WWW.INDEPENDENT.CO.UK An online store has removed t-shirts emblazoned with the slogan “It’s okay to be white” after public backlash. The shirts were sold on Trade Me, a New Zealand auction website, by the manufacturer VJM about how an online vendor banned sales of a shirt with the "It's OK to be white" slogan on it. personally i think this whole thing is stupid - so far as I know the phrase wasn't racist until it was piked up by certain right-wing groups, so there's no reason to censor out of fear and a narrow understanding. BTW i'm posting this here because i think it's a matter of language primarily and not politics 1 Quote 'That's why they call it the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.' - George Carlin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotWithoutMyOntic Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 16 hours ago, Graham Barnett said: BTW i'm posting this here because i think it's a matter of language primarily and not politics How do we distinguish them? everything is political but everything is language too right? anyway i think it's a good thing in the end. it's only a t-shirt and a slogan so I'm not sure it's worth all the ruffled feathers. ANd yes I realise people will whinge about freedom of speech and so forth but language isn't free and never has been! Oh there's also a Wikipedia article about this: It's OK to be white - Wikipedia EN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG Quote We need to teach children how to think rather than what to think. – Margaret Mead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gord Barentsen Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 I think its important for everyone to remember that language has a history. the age seems to be marked by authoritarian powers who want to insinuate control over as much of public life as they can, and this usually begins with either abolishing or rewriting history (including "Make America Great Again," which invokes and at the same time erases a mythical Golden Age of American history). This includes attempts to make language static, which does a lot to close down discussion and particularly discussion which reminds us that things change. Look at the word "nigger." That word obviously has a huge emotional charge in America, but it has also been re-appropriated in the last few decades to point to something other than its pejorative meaning (the obvious example: in hip hop and gangsta rap "nigga" tends to mean a fellow black person or gang member or...you get the picture). As you all know I'm an old-fashioned political crank in this respect who is totally in favour of hitting people over the head with these kinds of things, so I support the phrase in the spirit of having dialogue about it. 1 Quote When a book and a head collide and a hollow sound is heard, must it always have come from the book? -- Lichtenberg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotWithoutMyOntic Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 Maybe but people arent open to dialogue anymore about subtletys in language. No one has the patience. so is it worth trying to convince people? or is it better just to get rid of the phrase and find other ways? Quote We need to teach children how to think rather than what to think. – Margaret Mead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Barnett Posted October 6, 2020 Author Share Posted October 6, 2020 On 6/1/2019 at 10:41 AM, NotWithoutMyOntic said: language isn't free and never has been! Moreover someone give me one example of any big human problem being solved by just changing language. 1 Quote 'That's why they call it the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.' - George Carlin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotWithoutMyOntic Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Well not sure about that mate. Language shapes the way we see the world so if changes made in language last long enough they will soak into our consciousnesses and make us perceive the world differently, right? Quote We need to teach children how to think rather than what to think. – Margaret Mead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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